The in-depth psychological My View is right there in the "main section" - this is just an extention for the view-differing matter
that I refered to.
The film, and the Lestat musical are bound to give a somewhat totally wrong image of this relationship and that's one of the reasons why keeping this fan site up is so important to me.
But someone thinks, by the
books, that Marius thought "dusting Those Who Must Be Kept more important than helping out this questing young vampire" and that Marius's "pretty words" and the request for Lestat to go live out a lifetime
were only a "brush-off". For all that had happened and been said between them I can't believe someone sees it like that and I can't agree with that person in the least.
Because:
Marius tells Lestat he feels love for him, and he saves Lestat's life, and he gave a very good reason for that request of his - just to mention couple of things.
So, yes, Marius meant to send Lestat away all along "to live out one lifetime". The incident with Akasha and Enkil only made it have to happen sooner.
But it's literally in the lines of the book that Marius doesn't want Lestat to leave but sees it unavoidable and all the reasons for that are right there in Marius's words quoted soon enough.
Also, Marius does not just coldly send Lestat away.
No, but he sends him away with beautiful, comforting and reassuring words that make sure Lestat understands and remembers he (Marius) loves him and that they will meet again.
He said that his love would go with Lestat and how Lestat should remember the things he told him and how when they'd meet again they'd have much to say to each others,
and that he would answer Lestat's call, he would find Lestat when the time is right, wherever they'd be then.
He clearly cared about Lestat and his feelings. Nothing yet has made me feel like Marius would not only want what's best for Lestat.
Marius took Lestat in and treated and loved him as if he was his own son as well in a vampiric way as in human way.
Very compassionately and sincerelly loved son.
I re-read from
The Vampire Lestat, to make sure I haven't forgotten or missed anything, even the littlest thing that might have caused that person I have refered to, to think Marius cares more about Those Who Must Be Kept than aboot Lestat
and would just want to brush him off with that live-out-your-lifetime thing.
I mean, like,
honestly to think so.
But all I ever read this time too... This person thinks like that only because they hold some personal grudge towards Marius's character.
Because... there - Just. Is. No. Way. - anyone could
honestly get such an image.
In the books the love, care and bond Marius feels for Lestat could not have been pointed out more literally and clearly.
For just a few examples, next follows numerous quotes from "The Vampire Lestat" the book written by Anne Rice, and then my comments in between them:
Marius to Lestat:
"...when I was made into this, I was not young. I have been lonely since, I have known near madness, indescribable anguish, but I was never immortal and young. I have done over and over what you have yet to do the thing that must take you away from me very very soon."
COMMENT // "...that must take you away from me...", he formed his point of view about Lestat having to leave. Need I say more? //
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Lestat asked if Marius will ever again live a lifetime, and Marius answered that absolutely, when the world gets interesting enough again he would go to places and do things.
Lestat: "Then come now, with me!"
Marius: "It's a more tempting invitation than you know," he answered, "but I'd do you a great disservice if I came with you. I'd stand between you and the world. I couldn't help it."
COMMENT // Exactly. That is why our mommys and daddys can't join us when we fly away from the nest, no matter how much they sometimes do not want to let go. If they came with us we'd never learn life. They'd feel the urge to shelter us way too much, to continue being the parents - to stand between us and the world. There would not be real independence. Of course most of us want the independence but Lestat there, he wanted Marius's loving fathering more than anything else. //
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...THE SCENE CONTINUES...
I shook my head and looked away, full of bitterness.
"Do you want to continue?" he asked. "Or do you want Gabrielle's predictions to come true?"
"I want to continue," I said.
"Then you must go," he said. "A century from now, maybe less, we'll meet again. I won't be on this island. I will have taken Those Who Must Be Kept to another place. But wherever I am and wherever you are, I'll find you. And then I'll be the one who will not want you to leave me. I'll be the one who begs you remain. I'll fall in love with your company, your conversation, the mere sight of you, your stamina and your recklessness, and your lack of belief in anything -- all the things about you I already love rather too strongly."
COMMENT // Is that leaving some chances for "I care about Those Who Must be Kept more than about you?" A-hem. //
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...AND THE SCENE CONTINUES AGAIN...
I could scarcely listen to this without breaking down. I wanted to beg him to let me remain.
"Is it absolutely impossible now?" I asked. "Marius, can't you spare me this lifetime?"
"Quite impossible," he said. "I can tell you stories forever, but they are no substitute for life. Believe me, I've tried to spare others: I've never succeeded. I can't teach what one lifetime can teach. I never should have taken Armand in his youth, and his centuries of folly and suffering are a penance to me even now. You did him a mercy driving him into the Paris of this century, but I fear for him it is too late. Believe me, Lestat, when I say this has to happen. You must have that lifetime, for those who are robbed of it spin in dissatisfaction until they finally live it somewhere or they are destroyed."
COMMENT // So he DID care about Armand too and had a million good and extremely caring reasons for demanding Lestat to live his lifetime on his own. And this person told ME to "read the books more throughly" before stating my opinions… A-hem, again. To mee it seems this person never did anything more but read it through - in other words, did not think about what they read. //
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...A LITTEL LATER...
"Lestat, we should have no more than two or three nights," he said sadly.
"Marius!" I whispered. I bit down on the words that wanted to spill out.
My only consolation was the expression on his face, and it seemed now he had never looked even faintly inhuman. "You don't know how I want you to stay here," he said. "But life is out there, not here. When we meet again I'll tell you more things but you have all you need for now. You have to go to Louisiana and see your father to the finish of his life and learn from that what you can. I've seen legions of mortals grow old and die. You've seen none. But believe me, my young friend, I want you desperately to remain with me. You don't know how much. I promise you that I will find you when the time comes."
COMMENT // And he keeps on saying it. Obviously very afraid Lestat wasn't believeing him to be honest. And if he wasn't honest and in great pain for losing Lestat even if knoeing it would not be forever, he would not have cared about being believed, that much.
So - the hell with the "dusting Those Who Must Be Kept more important" and "only a brush-off". They friggin'
needed each others and not because of loneliness only but because they so very obviously were meant for each others as companions, father and son, and friends.
This person to whose point of view I'm stating these arguments - obviously held a grudge against Marius because of how he treated Armand.
Because I was told "Just ask Armand how great 'father' Marius is." and refered to how Marius let Armand think he's dead, didn't find Armand after the fire.
They lack to accept that relationships differ in strength and tone. And Marius's relationship with Armand - however very love-filled and strong - was still extremely and totally different in every way from what it is with Lestat.
Plus, an important detail is - Marius is not Lestat's "father" (as in the vampiric metaphorical way that doesn't automatically create any parental feelings and bond.) He's Lestat's father in very much human way.
You might want to check out 2 of my fan videos that capture this relationship's deepest points the best from both of their point of views:
Marius to Lestat - All That I Am &
Lestat to Marius - Everything.
From Lestat just as perfect is also this one I made in dedication to anne Rice;
Lestat to Marius - One More Time.
That could go from Marius to Lestat too but the song has some bits that make it more specifically lestat's.
PS.
And one bit there reasoned quite well the IWTV Lestat taking care of his dying mortal father even though the man was supposed to have been a total asshole to him all through his mortal life. Though I think Lestat probably also did care about his mortal father in the end, to a degree. I think it's impossible not to, about a family member who you lived with for 19+ years, no matter how horrible they were to you.
Lestat was godless, at least he didn't really believe in God. Yet he tells us that he used to pray God to "please please help me get away from my father's house."
I don't care if vampires have nothing to do with God but bless Marius for coming to Lestat.